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Bee9
16-11-2012, 03:10 PM
I've been around a few sites for both XBOX and PS3 racing games and something I've seen implemented at other sites is a rank system for individuals.
Basically there would be an ongoing TT which you would run in a virtually stock car, you would do this once and submit your time via pm to whoever was in charge of this ranking system. Your result would determine wether your a class 1-2-3 or more driver. You could gain promotion/relegation via your efforts in both TT's or race series etc that get run here at FMUK. This would mean team events could actually be aimed at 2/3 driver combo's from the different classes, even comps aimed at a certain class.. I've noticed that several team events can sometimes leave, no offence intended, the slow drivers being left out in the cold or left to team up with another slow driver, it could also mean slower drivers get to work with and maybe helped more by teaming with up with a higher classed driver. It could also mean rather than calling it a novice cup, entry would be restricted to a certain class.
What say you?




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Axiom
16-11-2012, 04:14 PM
Stock cars - yea :p!!!

Stonedef
16-11-2012, 05:28 PM
If it means more racing and hopefully more members joining in and people joining up to the forum then yep lets do it

Doony
16-11-2012, 05:38 PM
I like it.. Gives people a general goal

Bailey
16-11-2012, 05:44 PM
Do it, sooner the better :)

Shanklin15
16-11-2012, 06:18 PM
For!

Shafter
16-11-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm all for it :th_dblthumb2:

LeeTBTS
16-11-2012, 06:37 PM
for, seeing where you are skill wise, certainly gives inspiration to improve.

Judge
16-11-2012, 06:59 PM
Sounds like a plan Bee ...

Staarman
16-11-2012, 07:19 PM
Our own top gear leaderboard? It's a yes from me. :)
Anything to breath some new life into this site.


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Bailey
16-11-2012, 07:31 PM
^^ yes! do it as a top gear style board :D

Bailey
16-11-2012, 07:33 PM
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6736/powerboard.jpg

something along the lines of this?

Judge
16-11-2012, 07:46 PM
Or this ...

http://www.forzamotorsport.co.uk/showthread.php?p=334626#post334626

Bailey
16-11-2012, 07:47 PM
Either or, doesn't bother me.

Judge
16-11-2012, 07:52 PM
It was only a link Mr B :eek:

LeeTBTS
16-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Or this ...

http://www.forzamotorsport.co.uk/showthread.php?p=334626#post334626

christ, how on earth did i get that far up the leaderboard :th_SmlyROFL:

Bailey
16-11-2012, 08:01 PM
It was only a link Mr B :eek:

Ok? Wasn't a snide remark matey :)

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Guru
16-11-2012, 08:07 PM
i like the idea would be great to link everything into a clear table that everyone can access and see how they are doing in relative terms.

HOWEVER the only issue i could possibly see is do we have enough current active members to make it:

1. Accurate
2. Feasible
3. Get enough data to give a clear reading.

Ill have a look around various sites (now tv less have not much else to do so will be focusing my eyes on the site more than the actual comps) and see if i can give you more information and data bee

Bee9
16-11-2012, 08:08 PM
Anyone wishing to can speak with me over XBL to gain further info if needed feel free.

Guru
16-11-2012, 08:13 PM
Anyone wishing to can speak with me over XBL to gain further info if needed feel free.

thats just rubbing it in.....:th_down:

Bee9
16-11-2012, 08:18 PM
i like the idea would be great to link everything into a clear table that everyone can access and see how they are doing in relative terms.

HOWEVER the only issue i could possibly see is do we have enough current active members to make it:

1. Accurate
2. Feasible
3. Get enough data to give a clear reading.

Ill have a look around various sites (now tv less have not much else to do so will be focusing my eyes on the site more than the actual comps) and see if i can give you more information and data bee

Cheers Guru, didn't see your post when I made my previous comment.
1. If there's a couple of active members to keep on top of rankings, cannot see why this is not doable
2.Other sites seem to be able to manage it, no real reason why not so here.
3.Obviously apart from the original TT to seed,, it will be upto the individual to enter TT's and comps to try and rise through the ranks, but aside from that comps can be aimed at certain class of driver and also started up by anyone wishing to aim it at certain classes.

PzR RaF90
16-11-2012, 08:41 PM
sounds good but I ain't active on forza atm

Bee9
16-11-2012, 09:04 PM
sounds good but I ain't active on forza atm

No worries, if we get the green light the stock..ish car will be waiting for you to zoom round to put yourself in the top class. :thumbup:

smokinmasta
16-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Think its a brilliant idea - i so love people thinking from outside/ in, or to use that horrible saying 'thinking outside the box'

Guru
16-11-2012, 09:20 PM
Cheers Guru, didn't see your post when I made my previous comment.
1. If there's a couple of active members to keep on top of rankings, cannot see why this is not doable
2.Other sites seem to be able to manage it, no real reason why not so here.
3.Obviously apart from the original TT to seed,, it will be upto the individual to enter TT's and comps to try and rise through the ranks, but aside from that comps can be aimed at certain class of driver and also started up by anyone wishing to aim it at certain classes.

not an issue meant just annoying i cant get onlive to speak to you about this as its a great idea.

My however points were just putting potential issues out in the open to make sure we have everything covered.

Key word throughout this is promotion. We must do more to promote this site. This comes from everyone doing their little bit for the site.

We have been promised by Nor a site face lift and re-vamp which i personally think cant come soon enough. Initial talks with Tricky in regards to layout of site and its features have taken place.

Mix this with us competition organisers looking at what we do and making changes on that front should mean 2013 is a great year for FMUK and sees it return to the forefront of uk forza gaming.

Heres to hope

Judge
16-11-2012, 09:46 PM
Be interested in what calculation methods you intend to use Bee ?
there`s been a few historic discussions about cumlative TT rankings :banghead:

EG. Do you get the same merit for being 1st out of 30 as 1st out of 5
Does your average drop if you miss one ..etc...etc...etc..etc...etc...etc

Happy to help if I can Bee
J

A Senna
16-11-2012, 10:27 PM
The thing is to be big you have to go big most people now race at tora and we ain't got the skills to compete with there level without the help of people that have the skills to push the site forward ( as long as nor is ok with it as its his site) we need proper good race adverts vids at least a good few weeks if not a good month to get testing people's views, I recon a proper look and ideas to make this site work should be done from start of next year, lets just get ideas as a group, we need to make people feel welcome get rid of all petty arguments over stupid things debates are good as long as it stays clean, ill happily support any of you with ideas and showing my face when I can

A Senna
16-11-2012, 10:29 PM
With the tt it needs to be run in group as who really here can beat the likes of raul shafted axiom and Amarth.

Me and burns lee Oonan mike on our best days struggle to even get near those guys so for the guys that are mid table and bottom not to win anything needs to be changed IMO.

Bee9
16-11-2012, 10:38 PM
With the tt it needs to be run in group as who really here can beat the likes of raul shafted axiom and Amarth.

Me and burns lee Oonan mike on our best days struggle to even get near those guys so for the guys that are mid table and bottom not to win anything needs to be changed IMO.

:th_SmlyROFL:

A Senna
16-11-2012, 10:40 PM
:th_SmlyROFL:

Now that's just quality ;) I didn't even realise that lol that's why I hate iPads never mind it's staying looks good :thumbup:

Bee9
16-11-2012, 10:42 PM
I came in to post a response to your above post, but that had me in stitches.

Looking for ideas is good, trying to implement them is good, bit by bit is they way to go, why bite of more than you can chew, you leave yourself open to failure if the task is too big, small, slow and easy is the way to approach this.

Guru
16-11-2012, 10:46 PM
**** the bed me and grim reading off the same page.....

fully agree with virtually everything you have said there mate. As i said in an early thread is about promotion.

Ideally aswell this site could do with another active team that will make the competitions seem less like a TfR cup, whilst being a team leader its rewarding to see us do well i do enjoy the sunday comps that have the other guys enter. However even then some of them do a couple rounds and that is it so it still by the end look TfR member heavy.

The tt's group are being discussed but this will more than likely be part of the 2013 season rather than something we implement immediately. Again private discussions are/ have been had on these sort of areas. Grim will back me up if we can get a tt going like the FTW TAC it will bring more members in however its about making people AWARE of FMUK and what we do.

In regards to your testing comment grim there are advanced talks in what we are doing for that which will help everyone out and avoid dramas like etcc gate but push the style of competitions we do. With a limited active user base as we currently have 2 race competitions a week are more than enough. When we tried 3 the third competition was a limited entry comp (This could be implemented again if deemed appropriate)

But as said discussion between now and end of the month mean ideas and new ways we do things can be implemented for the start of our 2013 season.

A Senna
16-11-2012, 10:47 PM
We need more videos of stuff :) we also need to get more of the stuff we did on fm3 gurus reviews Zulu DSOTM tuning garages need to be more local around here, one thing that could draw people in is more realistic race series with maybe live streaming but it's how can it be done

A Senna
16-11-2012, 10:53 PM
The top gear board would be a fun idea :) but would mean a lot of work for who ever decides to give it a shot.

Few tac base here would be easy to do, but if it brings the guys over would be a bonus, we tried to do adverts for each new event that was coming up wi a range of cars running together but trying to get the guys together for the guy to record was hard, maybe do a special tt once a month like a stock car round a certain track or even do a single day special tt like top gear when they test new cars, idea below

Guru has just seen a sweet new release on fm.net there's a a hlc on there thread maybe make it a tt for 1 day or 1 weekend we run it then maybe we can give our personal view on the car can post in there thread and say we had a group of guys on FMUK try a special tt of your car link them to results could get more members here, the paint comp was good we need to get a lot of the basics back from fm2 photo comps hlc paint comps then work from there

Guru
16-11-2012, 10:53 PM
We need more videos of stuff :) we also need to get more of the stuff we did on fm3 gurus reviews Zulu DSOTM tuning garages need to be more local around here, one thing that could draw people in is more realistic race series with maybe live streaming but it's how can it be done

its my biggest negative point with fm4 is the fact there hasnt been a car ive wanted to review, The tm is dead right now with no sign of recovering fast.

Again though this can be done on a small scale. Where are the small little fmuk garages with their fmuk releases. Only takes a few colabs between a painter and a tuner and we have our own tm, and you never know i might (new tv permitting) brush the notepad back out and see what i can do with them.

I think realistic race series wise we are actually quite good with a mix of single car championships, american muscle series and obviously our flagship touring car series (reputation slightly hurt but s4 planning unerway), its what we do to get those new sign ups in and get fmuk like the tm off its knees and back as a power house

Newt
16-11-2012, 10:57 PM
It would be great if we had this back and personalised to fmuk.

The track/s would be key and would vary the results a bit. as would the drivetrain. just my thoughts :)

A Senna
16-11-2012, 10:58 PM
If I had a bloody laptop I'd just wack reviews out to try and get guys over here!

I can get colabs done for anybody that needs paints done, and I'm sure dan smokin vinny wouldn't mind chucking paints out.

On the team matter,

There's only been TfR here that as made a decentish impact in fm2 and made a massive success from fm3/4 when guru took over, little teams need to co e out of the closet and ask for a bit of backing I'm sure is as a community would help,

1 thing as well when you run comps over at different leagues use FMUK instead of team name :) looks better when I run enduros at TORA I use XPLR as I race there ( well raced there a lot until I got rid of Xbox ) and It gives competitors a idea of who you are and brings new guys to the site :)

Guru
16-11-2012, 11:03 PM
If I had a bloody laptop I'd just wack reviews out to try and get guys over here!

I can get colabs done for anybody that needs paints done, and I'm sure dan smokin vinny wouldn't mind chucking paints out.

On the team matter,

There's only been TfR here that as made a decentish impact in fm2 and made a massive success from fm3/4 when guru took over, little teams need to co e out of the closet and ask for a bit of backing I'm sure is as a community would help,

1 thing as well when you run comps over at different leagues use FMUK instead of team name :) looks better when I run enduros at TORA I use XPLR as I race there ( well raced there a lot until I got rid of Xbox ) and It gives competitors a idea of who you are and brings new guys to the site :)

wish mine had been that easy to write took bloody ages making them not just informative so guys knew what the car was like but also entertaining so they would read them again, think i done them alright seeing as they are still mentioned...

Ive always said anyone who wants to start a team i will happily help out, Id even like to try and revive the 4zuk uk team or whatever it was called as that would be great for the site.

Bee9
16-11-2012, 11:06 PM
Maybe the private discussions could/should be open, the guys who are here responding are the guys who want things to happen and more than likely would have something to bring. Why wait for 2013, theres chaps here and now wishing there was a bit more activity, get something going to keep them interested now so they too don't go off looking for their excitement elsewhere

A Senna
16-11-2012, 11:08 PM
Like I said I'll happily try my best to help give things a kick they need :)

Staarman
16-11-2012, 11:36 PM
personally i think until we have a new management team installed its gonna be very hard to move forward. Losing Wiggy was not good but maybe we expected too much of him. Many of the guys who drove this site forward since the release of FM2 have moved on, which is fine. But to continue we need to replace them with equally driven forum members and hopefully everything else we start to fall into place.

Guru
16-11-2012, 11:40 PM
Maybe the private discussions could/should be open, the guys who are here responding are the guys who want things to happen and more than likely would have something to bring. Why wait for 2013, theres chaps here and now wishing there was a bit more activity, get something going to keep them interested now so they too don't go off looking for their excitement elsewhere

my 2013 comment was more we have everything planned so when we launch the first set of comps (1st week jan if not last week of december) this is all ready and smartly prepared

Bee9
16-11-2012, 11:58 PM
personally i think until we have a new management team installed its gonna be very hard to move forward. Losing Wiggy was not good but maybe we expected too much of him. Many of the guys who drove this site forward since the release of FM2 have moved on, which is fine. But to continue we need to replace them with equally driven forum members and hopefully everything else we start to fall into place.

agreed :th_dblthumb2:

Judge
17-11-2012, 12:13 AM
I`ve said it before & I`ll say it again...
the Mods are very limited as to what they can do to move forwards,
we NEED at least one admin that races regularly & experiences areas where we are weak.

Freeforum sites are poping up all over with better functionality & we need adapt to compete.

(.. and I`m not knocking ANYONE) :thumbup:

Burnz
17-11-2012, 01:57 PM
sounds like a good idea in theory but there are other factors that would make it not work... for example if people dont run the TT for a few weeks then they would get put into a lower class. now if i didnt run a few events i would be in a lower class but still have the same ability as far as my pace goes... i dont enter many comps or TT's nowadays, so to me personally it doesnt matter what level i am, but to others it might do...

i would say YES to doing it tho if you can get it to work properly ;)

Milton
23-11-2012, 10:37 PM
Bump for you smokinmasta

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smokinmasta
24-11-2012, 01:47 PM
Thanks Milton

Judge
24-11-2012, 02:05 PM
Ok, it seems most agree,
So do we have a volunteer to run this Ranking System ?

smokinmasta
24-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Ok, it seems most agree,
So do we have a volunteer to run this Ranking System ?

Thatll be you then Martin :D

Just kidding, speak to bee9 im sure between you its doable (is that actually a word?)

Right off to the outlaws for the rest of the day, wish me luck!!

Judge
24-11-2012, 02:14 PM
I`m to anal Smoke, Bee reckons it can be updated fairly simply by manually juggling
places when people excel or undershoot their positions, and he`s probably right.

Bee9
24-11-2012, 04:26 PM
No problem's, I already spoke to a couple of guy's to help me when it come's to re-jigging due to people's effort's in TT's/Race's etc.

I'll have another chat with them to decide which track etc for the on going TT/ranking qualifyer.

Newt
25-11-2012, 03:21 AM
No problem's, I already spoke to a couple of guy's to help me when it come's to re-jigging due to people's effort's in TT's/Race's etc.

I'll have another chat with them to decide which track etc for the on going TT/ranking qualifyer.


As it develops i think we may need some help for sure :thumbup:

woontz666
26-11-2012, 11:12 PM
see below

woontz666
26-11-2012, 11:23 PM
dont see whats wrong with what we have now. i for one dont do tt or racing so that puts me out. also anyone joining the site wanting to race will have to do the prelimb, so might be put off by this. not putting the idea down but i think its easy to stay as is & do qually in a stock car & then put people in lobbies that thay should be in.

Newt
26-11-2012, 11:23 PM
dont see whats rong with what is in place. i for one dont run any tt or do much racing so that puts me right out.



There isnt anything in place, and your correct if you have no intention in racing in the comps then no you dont need to run it.

For those that do we aim to provide a general ranking of all competition runners to aid organisers to better plan and manage their comps and more.

More soon :)

Carpy Pants
27-11-2012, 08:42 PM
As said in previous post. How can a time you do on your own with no other cars on track decide what group you race in? Just silly! Also how can there be ranking with just about 1 lobby for races? Not understanding what's happening atm? The most important thing to do is attract more drivers first surely ?

Newt
27-11-2012, 09:31 PM
As said in previous post. How can a time you do on your own with no other cars on track decide what group you race in? Just silly! Also how can there be ranking with just about 1 lobby for races? Not understanding what's happening atm? The most important thing to do is attract more drivers first surely ?

So start attracting more drivers then. There are plenty of people to get stuck in and start helping make the sites comps busy again if they can be assed.
FMUK needs all its organisers and members pulling together and doing everything and anything to help.

We got this plus tuning and race events in the pipeline. publicity on .net and people signing up to enter bees events from the promo and baileys tt so we are doing what we think will help the site and make it more interesting / effective

The question about lapping times used for lobby sorting is likely not going to happen. Most organisers would use a qually for their comp but may use this for team sorting and as I said TT grouping and more.
A novice cup need not have you looking at the LB to see who is a novice. If they are in Bronze ranking they can enter.
Likewise a GT comp with full sim damage etc may run a gold lobby and some assists in a silver/bronze lobby.

You can use the ranking groups for anything if you can think of it.