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Old 07-06-2013, 11:35 AM   #61
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Yep, an Asus P35 one. Can't recall the model at the moment.

The 5850 seems good enough for most titles. Unsure if the latest cards would bottleneck on the PCI-E v1 bus before the CPU. That and the 8GB RAM limit. Doing well for a 6 year old though with it's mid-life nip and tuck.

might want to read this before you take the Haswell plunge.

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Prior to each processor release, Intel produces a number of engineering sample chips. These chips are, theoretically, identical to the finished retail product, minus a few last-minute fixes that may be inserted to work around some bug or other. They are provided to hardware partners in order for pre-release engineering work - designing desktops, laptops, tablets and mobiles around the requirements of the part - to be carried out before mass production begins. This allows manufacturers to launch their products day-and-date with Intel's chip release.

Sadly, it doesn't appear to have worked out quite that way for Haswell. According to PC Pro, manufacturers who produce pre-overclocked gaming systems have found that the retail chips they've just received are only hitting speeds of 4.2GHz to 4.4GHz stably compared to up to 4.8GHz with pre-production engineering samples.

One manufacturer claims that pre-release chips marked as 3.5GHz parts were tested completely stably at 4.8GHz, but of the 40-50 retail units the company has tested not a single one has managed to reach above 4.2GHz without hitting unsafe temperatures or requiring too-high levels of voltage. Another firm has stated that it has had to drop plans to offer pre-overclocked Haswell systems running at 4.5GHz - a figure, again, planned based on engineering work carried out on pre-production samples provided by Intel - to 4.3GHz in order to ensure stability. 'There is a big difference in the overclocking potential between early Haswell samples and retail,' the unnamed manufacturer claimed.



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There are also concerns over the temperature of the retail processors. A fourth firm’s spokesperson said that employees who build PCs "have to frequently change chips" in order to find the best parts, and that "even at stock speeds, [retail chips] are running hotter than Ivy Bridge or Haswell samples". The firm said that retail chips are "around 15C" hotter than pre-production samples.

A spokesman for the third company added that a Core i7-4770K overclocked to 4.6GHz was so unstable it "wouldn’t even load the operating system", and that systems that use the Core i5-4670K are restricted to only 4.2GHz because "voltage bumps... send temperatures sky high".

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Ooops.

That's pretty much unheard of with Intel since the horrors of Netburst. It would ironically co-incide with all the big motherboard manufacturers trumpeting the overclocking features on the low-mid range Z87 boards too.

Intel do cherry pick the ES chips they send to the well known enthusiast websites. It's a bit odd though as it's the same process as Ivy Bridge.

Been a bad week for silicon with this and the rumours about the XBox One getting downclocked due to yield issues with the eSRAM.
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....and it is not going to be cheap!

It would appear to be to be 581.14

That is excluding the case going off for powder coating for a matte-black finish on the internals costing 91

Or the 28 I spent on cable braiding from Germany (only the best for my cables).


This is probably going to take me a few weeks to complete as I am awaiting the GFX waterblock from Slovenia. I also just broke my last dremel cutting disc so waiting for my Amazon order before I can finish modding the case and then sending off to Cardiff where it will take two weeks at least.


Are people interested in me continuing my build log or not really?
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Originally Posted by scuppy182 View Post

Are people interested in me continuing my build log or not really?

I am.
What are you doing cutting up your case? Is that specifically for the water cooling?
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Are people interested in me continuing my build log or not really?


Yep.

I'd post one too if I could afford it!
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I am.
What are you doing cutting up your case? Is that specifically for the water cooling?

Well my hard drives are currently in the lower compartment and that is where the XSPC RX480 will be going so I just need to make a few cuts in the side of the drive bays so that I can route the cables without them being seen. Also need to make a larger cut out behind the motherboard tray to enable better cable management. My 7970 needed an 8pin & 6 pin power cable where as my 6950 didn't need the 8pin cable. And it really annoys me having it just hanging down in middle of my case.

I'll also need to drill some rad mounts in the lower compartment although I'm very tempted to just use some Super strong Scotch tape as I'd hate to drill through the Alu base =/
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I will likely have a few things to sell after this build is complete.

One thing for sure will be my BeQuiet CPU cooler if anyone was interested in that, otherwise I'll stick it on MM section of OcUK?
This is it here: be quiet! Silent PSU & Cooling for your PC
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Without reading all the gumph is Intel or Am3 socket? Ta

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Most are universal fit now. Well unless you're a neanderthal still rocking S478.
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Without reading all the gumph is Intel or Am3 socket? Ta

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Intel: 1156, 1155, 1366, 775

AMD: AM2, AM2+, AM3 939, 940

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edit: my Intel 2500k idles around 34'C
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Is that motherboard out to fit my phenom II do you think ? Trying to avoid LOL

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Yeah, unless your case has a cutout behind the CPU socket.
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My case has a motherboard tray that slides out so you can do stuff outside of the case.... unfortunately the Heatsink is too tall so I couldn't slide it in or out lol.

It does require a backplate to stop the motherboard flexing under its weight (which I will of course include).

As Magic says, hopefully you have a cut out behind the motherboard tray. What case do you have?
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Well this isn't what I was quite expecting lol.

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That would be the gasket for the radiator, and that is all so far folks
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Without reading all the gumph is Intel or Am3 socket? Ta

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Intel: 1156, 1155, 1366, 775

AMD: AM2, AM2+, AM3 939, 940

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I still have all the original packaging and even the supplied TIM

edit: my Intel 2500k idles around 34'C


I now have this all cleaned up with TIM Removal (aka pure alcohol). and other than a little bit of dust on the fan blades while I'll get the hoover on in a minute it is in Mint Condition.

Would anyone like to make an offer for it?

I'll send it via Collect+ Courier with insurance of course.
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This is more like it

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I am just waiting for courier to collect my case (Monday fingers crossed), and the graphics card's waterblock to come and I think I'll have everything.

I obviously can't assemble it while the case is off getting powder coated but I have the cable braiding to get on with and cleaning out the Rads/Res/Blocks ready for the coolant which arrives on Monday.
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What colour you doing the coolant?
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lol, my system will have more fans than it did previously. However, these are only 800RPM and have a 9dB output which is inaudible from 2 foot away. So technically my PC will be silent other than the pump.

edit: Red coolant, I have gone for Mayhems Red Pastel so you be able to see through the liquid.

Closes up done

The brushed Alu front of the Res will match my fascia plates which is awesome.
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Pump (soon to be braided, goodbye ugly cables)
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CPU waterblock
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Nice chunk of Copper
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Rad - I had to put something in there to give perspective (ITS HUGE!)
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Well this is my first attempt at cable braiding so I thought I'd start simple and got for one of the 4 fans before tackling anything more serious like the PSU.

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I think it came out pretty damn well although not looking forward to this lot!
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480mm Rad?

Yeah, I was going to go with a dual or triple but thought nah lets go quad lol.

It will allow me to run super slow fans (Gentle Typhoons) so its even quieter.


GT's are also some of the best fans for radiators due to the blade design.
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Well I have made my first mistake

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I was going to do an alternate colour braid for each one, Red, Black, Red, Black but got carried away and have gone and done them all red.


Next time :P
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Well today I managed to break one of the crimps on my PSU, sigh. I'll need to borrow a soldering iron but I should be able to save it. (he hopes)

I have flushed the Rad and the CPU waterblock with distilled water. Supprised by how much crap came out of the Rad in particular and I now know why it is important to do as you really wouldn't want the fillings and specs of metal floating around your system and clogging up the blocks fins.



I shall continue with the cable braiding (it is mind numbingly boring/repetitive but does look good).
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GPU Waterblock has arrived. It weighs a TONNE!! Not literally but it is very heavy. Might pop it on the scales to find out but here it is

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Waterblock is now on the GFX Card. Will add the compression fittings later when it's ready to go into the case.

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I presume when you buy a new card you will be buying a new water block for it? How much was that one on its own?
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a lazy option for gpu water cooling is the artic hybrid gpu cooler
Arctic Accelero Hybrid Graphics Card Cooler - WAE+

closed system. drops gpu temp from 90 to 55 degrees
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I presume when you buy a new card you will be buying a new water block for it? How much was that one on its own?

Well I got a good deal on the GFX card for 275 - selling my old card for 100 so 175 for a Sapphire 7970 OC Dual-X (with reference design PCB).

The waterblock was 94ish with current €- + international postage.


Yes, you're right. Watercooling a GFX is an expensive affair. Unlike CPUs where the socket might change but the holes for the mounting plate rarely do and if so only requires a bracket to allow it to fit, I'd have to buy a new block however its the Current top end card (single GPU) on the AMD/ATI side so when the 80** series comes out and 7970's drop a bit more I could always get a second for CrossFire (unlikely though).


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a lazy option for gpu water cooling is the artic hybrid gpu cooler
Arctic Accelero Hybrid Graphics Card Cooler - WAE+

closed system. drops gpu temp from 90 to 55 degrees

That thing is uggers hahaha. Its like the all in one kits for your CPU you can get but if I'm going to be cooling both CPU & GPU might as well build a custom loop.
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Must say this is looking good.

I like the look of those Corsair CPU water cooler kits. Mainly as they are simple to fit for an idiot like me

Did you by any chance record your internals/decibels at full whack before you dismantled it for a comparison test?
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Well I got a good deal on the GFX card for 275 - selling my old card for 100 so 175 for a Sapphire 7970 OC Dual-X (with reference design PCB).

The waterblock was 94ish with current €- + international postage.


Yes, you're right. Watercooling a GFX is an expensive affair. Unlike CPUs where the socket might change but the holes for the mounting plate rarely do and if so only requires a bracket to allow it to fit, I'd have to buy a new block however its the Current top end card (single GPU) on the AMD/ATI side so when the 80** series comes out and 7970's drop a bit more I could always get a second for CrossFire (unlikely though).




That thing is uggers hahaha. Its like the all in one kits for your CPU you can get but if I'm going to be cooling both CPU & GPU might as well build a custom loop.

yeah its no looker but does the job for those that want liquid cooling without the faf your only going to see it from the side. Ideal for those with no patience
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