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Old 02-11-2011, 02:13 PM   #31
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obviously its not nice having something you have worked hard on stolen, but i like to take the moral high ground as i have always said "i wouldnt buy it anyway so they still would not make the money on me" but i do buy stuff off itunes when i do actually want somthing that i think is worth buying and that im going to listen too alot an example would be Eminems "Space Bound" i absolutely love this song and for some reason when you buy a song it always sounds that little bit better.

Although i maybe 17 and i have grown up in the age of cd's and digital downloads, please for the love of god bring back vinyl it will always be the best sound music device.
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Originally Posted by M4RINE365 View Post
obviously its not nice having something you have worked hard on stolen, but i like to take the moral high ground as i have always said "i wouldnt buy it anyway so they still would not make the money on me" but i do buy stuff off itunes when i do actually want somthing that i think is worth buying and that im going to listen too alot an example would be Eminems "Space Bound" i absolutely love this song and for some reason when you buy a song it always sounds that little bit better.

Although i maybe 17 and i have grown up in the age of cd's and digital downloads, please for the love of god bring back vinyl it will always be the best sound music device.

Still alive and well for dance music I believe? Indeed I think the only record shops in the UK that have listening booths still are vinyl specialists?
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:46 PM   #33
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Only money i spend on iTunes is for Apps. If i want music i will go and buy the CD, or order from Play or Amazon or the like.
I do not like the idea that once my iPod goes tits up i will have to pay (again) to fill it back up with the £100+ worth of music that is currently on it.
With the CD i have something physical and ripping an album to put on takes no more time than downloading.
It means i have boxes of CD's down the basement, but i'd rather that than lose something i have supposedly 'bought' when in reality all i have done is paid for a temporary licence for it.
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Dam good point Senna, I think consumers of a certain age will always value the physical over the 'digital' version, off topic but its why I am against services like 'Games on Demand'

I never have got around to ever ripping my CD collection, now the nights are drawing in that may be a job I eventually do....
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Very good point Senna, and just another reason to dislike the way Apple do things.
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Glad to see that we are all honest here, those dodgy websites are all gone....

Its odd but if somebody said Max I use this site ____________ to get my music for free, then it links to this ------------------torrent site. I would say NO that illegal!

Now please dont fill in the gaps and please dont PM me some links
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Glad to see that we are all honest here, those dodgy websites are all gone....

Its odd but if somebody said Max I use this site ____________ to get my music for free, then it links to this ------------------torrent site. I would say NO that illegal!

Now please dont fill in the gaps and please dont PM me some links

All the websites ain't gone Dow mate I like buying CDs etc but its crap when your CD player decides to wreck your disc etc, if I like music I tend to just pay for it off iTunes and then download it on any apple product I have, easy way and you wouldn't lose it
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Originally Posted by A Senna View Post
All the websites ain't gone Dow mate I like buying CDs etc but its crap when your CD player decides to wreck your disc etc, if I like music I tend to just pay for it off iTunes and then download it on any apple product I have, easy way and you wouldn't lose it

Glad to hear it Apple take a good sum of money from me every month, Amazon have a CD and Rip service now which is brilliant. Amazon just a little cheaper but you cant buy the rest of the album so easy as itunes.

thanks for not sending me the links you are a honest man
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I tried buying from shopto thinking there was discs didn't know it was download 2 computer then I couldn't copy them onto anything wasn't impressed £20 wasted
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are cd's becoming endangered ?, im quite happy to make do with the radio these days
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Yep - i burnt a CD for my work hack's CD changer thingy and ive forgot i even put it in 3 weeks ago
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I use Spotify premium now, no longer have to worry about buying music, or using torrents. I can even download all my stuff to my phone, and I can stream it all straight to my av receiver..and I have access to 30 million songs or whatever it is. That's the way forward for music ...its brilliant

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Only money i spend on iTunes is for Apps. If i want music i will go and buy the CD, or order from Play or Amazon or the like.
I do not like the idea that once my iPod goes tits up i will have to pay (again) to fill it back up with the £100+ worth of music that is currently on it.
With the CD i have something physical and ripping an album to put on takes no more time than downloading.
It means i have boxes of CD's down the basement, but i'd rather that than lose something i have supposedly 'bought' when in reality all i have done is paid for a temporary licence for it.

that's not how itunes works, you can re download anything as many times as you like, also there is also no DRM.

That said, i'm a big lover of the old ways of doing things, i used to own a record store (vinyl specialist), and still have a rather large collection (lots of old stock too)Believe it or not vinyl has actually had a bit of an upturn in the last few years, with demand rising steadily
still have a couple of record players, including a dansette style player. Love Vinyl, still enjoy CD's.

Spotify, i hate it. It teaches the world music is free, costs nothing to make and has no value, and then pays nothing to the artists who make the music.
Peoples views of musicians is that they are all sipping on champagne writing music on a laptop in a bedroom. The reality is that artists spend thousands and thousands of pounds of their own money before making a record as a gamble that they will make that money back (based on the idea that they believe it will sell.) Most artists don't ever make this money back, even the self published and reasonably successful artists.

As most small live venues now also believe that artists benefit more than the bar by playing at their venue, artists can no longer get money regularly by playing venues, and often lose money with this (rehearsal costs, travel, promotion etc) for no gain other than a tiny amount of 'publicity'

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Spotify, i hate it. It teaches the world music is free, costs nothing to make and has no value, and then pays nothing to the artists who make the music.
Peoples views of musicians is that they are all sipping on champagne writing music on a laptop in a bedroom. The reality is that artists spend thousands and thousands of pounds of their own money before making a record as a gamble that they will make that money back (based on the idea that they believe it will sell.) Most artists don't ever make this money back, even the self published and reasonably successful artists.

Taken from Spotifys website..

Spotify pays out the majority (approaching 70%) of ALL of our revenue (advertising and subscription fees) to rights holders: artists, labels, publishers, and performing rights societies (e.g. ASCAP, BMI, etc.). In just three years since launching, Spotify has paid out over 500M USD in royalties.

Spotify has direct agreements with record labels, digital distributors, aggregators and publisher collecting societies, to whom we regularly pay royalties, and who then pay recording artists and songwriters according to their specific contractual agreements.

These agreements are subject to strict confidentiality requirements, but we recommend that artists reach out to their distributors to better understand the specific economics that apply to them.

In general, however, Spotify pays royalties in relation to an artist's popularity on the service. For example, we will pay out approximately 2% of our gross royalties for an artist whose music represents approximately 2% of what our users stream. A popular song or album can generate far more revenue for an artist over time than it historically would have from upfront unit sales.

In just three years since launching in select countries, we’ve already paid out royalties of more than $500 million USD. These royalty payouts are growing dramatically each year, reflecting our rapidly increasing popularity.


So they will make more money on this legal service, than they would via the illigal download of albums, at which point they make nothing.

I don't go with this 'struggling artists' thing either, while I agree it of course does happen, it's always happened, way before digital downloads came along.
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Taken from Spotifys website..

Spotify pays out the majority (approaching 70%) of ALL of our revenue (advertising and subscription fees) to rights holders: artists, labels, publishers, and performing rights societies (e.g. ASCAP, BMI, etc.). In just three years since launching, Spotify has paid out over 500M USD in royalties.

Spotify has direct agreements with record labels, digital distributors, aggregators and publisher collecting societies, to whom we regularly pay royalties, and who then pay recording artists and songwriters according to their specific contractual agreements.

These agreements are subject to strict confidentiality requirements, but we recommend that artists reach out to their distributors to better understand the specific economics that apply to them.

In general, however, Spotify pays royalties in relation to an artist's popularity on the service. For example, we will pay out approximately 2% of our gross royalties for an artist whose music represents approximately 2% of what our users stream. A popular song or album can generate far more revenue for an artist over time than it historically would have from upfront unit sales.

In just three years since launching in select countries, we’ve already paid out royalties of more than $500 million USD. These royalty payouts are growing dramatically each year, reflecting our rapidly increasing popularity.


So they will make more money on this legal service, than they would via the illigal download of albums, at which point they make nothing.

I don't go with this 'struggling artists' thing either, while I agree it of course does happen, it's always happened, way before digital downloads came along.

so, knowing a couple of people who work quite high up in a couple of the majors, i've found a little bit out about how spotify conducts it's business...

basically, the 'royalties' it pays out, are basically lump sum payments directly to the big 3 (sony, warner, universal) to allow them to use their labels /sub labels etc on the streaming service.

Now, this is a direct payment, not actually royalties, this is a sweetener to allow them to put the music on their service at that mentioned very very low royalty rate.

think about this, even a popular song, released tomorrow say, if it gets ten million plays in a day, historically that's actually a small percentage of the 'royalty share' they speak of, meaning that whilst the song is at it's most popular, they will also pay out at a rate at it's lowest, until the song has dwindled off in popularity.

so it's a system to benefit the few important money makers. The royalty share should be completely level and flat, as the more plays ANY song gets, i generating income for spotify at the same rate.
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But Spotify/Pandora and the like are essentially streaming radio services, and as such shouldn't be treated as a point of sale, but one of promotion.. Spotify, will gain you exposure, and while as you point out, doesn't pay out all that much if you aren't a massive artist, it doesn't really matter, it's part of an income revenue, not your only income revenue.. and if the amounts such sites doesn't pay enough, don't sign up to it.. simple.
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