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Old 15-11-2013, 01:37 PM   #31
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Atari 800 better than Commodore, Atari Lynx and ST machines.........Jaguar as mentioned above. Atari made some of the best kits out there and all flopped

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Add to that the Dreamcast, was a cracking bit of hardware well ahead of it's time but it just didn't get the games it needed. One of my favourite consoles ever.
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Absolutely agree, the PS3 might've been more powerful than the 360 but it was overpriced (at launch at least) and lacked many of the social features that made the xbox so successful.

Understand, i'm not against the Xbox as a console, my problem is with MS and their unrelenting greed and tightfisted-ness. Looks like Sony have finally pulled out their finger again, just as MS have shot themselves in the head (for me at least).
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Yes seems like Sony might have learnt lessons. *Apple take note in particular

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Originally Posted by smokinmasta View Post
Yes seems like Sony might have learnt lessons. *Apple take note in particular

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What are you trying to say?? Apple are not expensive at all! 60 for a mouse is perfectly reasonable!
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This is nice, at least

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Originally Posted by totlxtc View Post
What are you trying to say?? Apple are not expensive at all! £60 for a mouse is perfectly reasonable!



More aimed at proprietary (sp?) chargers, cables, and the like..........rip off for no good reason.

MS looking like doing the same shite.....headphones debacle being the first. I kinda understand the steering wheel thing but still

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This is nice, at least

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The reply will be in their usual style going from E3, Gamescom etc

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Originally Posted by smokinmasta View Post


More aimed at proprietary (sp?) chargers, cables, and the like..........rip off for no good reason.

MS looking like doing the same shite.....headphones debacle being the first. I kinda understand the steering wheel thing but still

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But Smokin...1500 will by you a 28" screen with laptop parts in, half arsed keyboard, useless mouse and a super disc scratching disc drive. But hey...you will look cool having one.
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Originally Posted by totlxtc View Post
The reply will be in their usual style going from E3, Gamescom etc

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Their reply was this, actually:

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Though if i'm honest, i do like to see a bit of banter between competitors.
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Add to that the Dreamcast, was a cracking bit of hardware well ahead of it's time but it just didn't get the games it needed. One of my favourite consoles ever.

It was worth it just for Shenmue 1 & 2
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It was worth it just for Shenmue 1 & 2

i whiled away many and evening on res evil code Veronica, revolt and virtua tennis. I think it was the ease of piracy that killed off the dreamcast. Its the only retro Console I still own.
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Originally Posted by Zulu Ninja View Post
It was worth it just for Shenmue 1 & 2

Couldn't agree more DM. Excellent games well ahead of their time
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Understand, i'm not against the Xbox as a console, my problem is with MS and their unrelenting greed and tightfisted-ness.

Could not disagree more.

Yes Microsoft charge, usually much more than most, but, with great reason. This whole M$ ethos of money grabbing comes from the expense of windows and related products. Quite wrongly in my opinion.

BUT, in those terms, How many other operating systems NEED to support a near infinite number of hardware devices, in combination with another near infinite number of people / users? Taking research and development into this and allowing ALL users the ability to have the same experience, regardless of hardware (speed not included)

Who else has done this successfully? No one.

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Couldn't agree more DM. Excellent games well ahead of their time

Just a shame the series never got finished on any platform.

If I remember it was meant to be a 9 part game?
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Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
Could not disagree more.

Yes Microsoft charge, usually much more than most, but, with great reason. This whole M$ ethos of money grabbing comes from the expense of windows and related products. Quite wrongly in my opinion.

BUT, in those terms, How many other operating systems NEED to support a near infinite number of hardware devices, in combination with another near infinite number of people / users? Taking research and development into this and allowing ALL users the ability to have the same experience, regardless of hardware (speed not included)

Who else has done this successfully? No one.

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But none of this is necessary...

Look what they're charging for the XB1, then there's the proprietary voice inputs, the DRM we almost ended up with. Look what they did with this 'Games With Gold' program, it's an attempt to compete with PSN + (this should be a good thing for the consumer) but they still fell amazingly short with that, it's become a joke among the gaming community.

Not to mention there's STILL adverts on the dashboard for gold members!

I loved the 360, it was great value for money, the XBONE isn't, if you can justify it for yourself then that's great, and i know Forza 5 is the driving force behind most of that, but i can't.
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I don't buy the overpriced machine argument.

Yes it costs more than the PS4, but that's because it comes with kinnect.
If you were to buy a PS4 and, whatever their camera sensor type do dah is called, the price of the two would be pretty close.

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But none of this is necessary...

Look what they're charging for the XB1, then there's the proprietary voice inputs, the DRM we almost ended up with. Look what they did with this 'Games With Gold' program, it's an attempt to compete with PSN + (this should be a good thing for the consumer) but they still fell amazingly short with that, it's become a joke among the gaming community.

Not to mention there's STILL adverts on the dashboard for gold members!

I loved the 360, it was great value for money, the XBONE isn't, if you can justify it for yourself then that's great, and i know Forza 5 is the driving force behind most of that, but i can't.

And if you weren't short sighted you might have realised the benefits that the DRM system would have brought. But no everyone jumped on the 'evil M$' bandwagon and a lot of potentially cool features got lost.

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I don't accept it's overpriced. It's $100 more than the 360 was at launch and that didn't come with Kinect. Add in Kinect and it's on the money. That's not adjusting prices to take inflation into account.

Blah blah PS4 is cheaper, but not much one you add in the (less featured) equivalent to Kinect.
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This topic wasn't meant to be a PS4 vs XBox One fanboi war but seeing as its bordering on being one I'll just leave this here to add more fuel to the fire lol

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Originally Posted by Jam View Post
But none of this is necessary...

Look what they're charging for the XB1, then there's the proprietary voice inputs, the DRM we almost ended up with. Look what they did with this 'Games With Gold' program, it's an attempt to compete with PSN + (this should be a good thing for the consumer) but they still fell amazingly short with that, it's become a joke among the gaming community.

Not to mention there's STILL adverts on the dashboard for gold members!

I loved the 360, it was great value for money, the XBONE isn't, if you can justify it for yourself then that's great, and i know Forza 5 is the driving force behind most of that, but i can't.

The 360 was £279 at release, and the One at £429. 8 years, and average inflation of 28% in monies, brings the 360 to approx £365. Stick your kinnect on there and even Stephen really.

Overpriced? Definitely not. More expensive than Sony? Yes, in simple terms. Worse value for money? No.

I should note, that my eyes are not blinkered by Forza, nor was my rant about XBOX One originally. You stated MS. Not xbox.

If you disagree, give your credit card details to Sony. I'm sure they will keep th em safe. ... This time.

Adverts. Meh. That's life these days. Plain and simple.
If they don't become intrusive, i'm sure most won't mind.

And ANYONE dares mention 'proprietary' as a negative thing while defending SONY? REALLY????

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I think it's good value for money, as John pointed out, taking into account inflation, it's not much different to the 360 at launch, plus we get Kinect, and whether we want it or not, as time goes on, some nifty things will be done with it.

And while some might think Sony are the 'value for money gamers choice heros'. You can bet your ****, if Microsoft hadn't received such negative feedback from price and DRM at the launch announcement, Sony would have quickly followed suit, the benefits of going second.... Sony is not your friend, they want your cash the same as MS does.
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Originally Posted by Jam View Post
But none of this is necessary...

Look what they're charging for the XB1, then there's the proprietary voice inputs, the DRM we almost ended up with. Look what they did with this 'Games With Gold' program, it's an attempt to compete with PSN + (this should be a good thing for the consumer) but they still fell amazingly short with that, it's become a joke among the gaming community.

Not to mention there's STILL adverts on the dashboard for gold members!

I loved the 360, it was great value for money, the XBONE isn't, if you can justify it for yourself then that's great, and i know Forza 5 is the driving force behind most of that, but i can't.

Having been an Xbox Gamer have you not noticed just how much better XBL is compared to PS+? They have led the pack when it comes to online gaming for well over a decade whilst PS copied their every move... but because MS copies PS with games for gold you make a big deal out of it? ... with DRM ive already covered my thoughts on it a while back and I really cant be bothered to argue it again.

XB1 promises dedicated servers, do you think those are free? Imagine the cost of those servers for CoD or BF4? Who's paying for that? Xbox Live has evolved and advanced at a very rapid pace... do you think those advancements didn't cost anything?

It comes across like you don't know how business actually works... ignorant, demanding the moon on a stick and wanting it all for free.
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Having been an Xbox Gamer have you not noticed just how much better XBL is compared to PS+? They have led the pack when it comes to online gaming for well over a decade whilst PS copied their every move... but because MS copies PS with games for gold you make a big deal out of it? ... with DRM ive already covered my thoughts on it a while back and I really cant be bothered to argue it again.

XB1 promises dedicated servers, do you think those are free? Imagine the cost of those servers for CoD or BF4? Who's paying for that? Xbox Live has evolved and advanced at a very rapid pace... do you think those advancements didn't cost anything?

It comes across like you don't know how business actually works... ignorant, demanding the moon on a stick and wanting it all for free.

360 multiplayer and social aspects is absolutely lightyears ahead of that of the PS3. However Sony have now stepped there game up to offer a much more equal service. I'm not having a go at MS with the Games with Gold, both of these things are why competitiveness is good. I'm laughing at how badly they've executed it, how they pick the oldest and cheapest games every month. Take a look at what you could've had for free on PSN +, it's pretty dam good value for money.

It IS overpriced whether you like it or not (relative to equal competition, but how else can you gauge somethings worth?) but i can see you are all donning your Forza goggles in full force, so i won't bother adding my thoughts around here anymore
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360 multiplayer and social aspects is absolutely lightyears ahead of that of the PS3. However Sony have now stepped there game up to offer a much more equal service. I'm not having a go at MS with the Games with Gold, both of these things are why competitiveness is good. I'm laughing at how badly they've executed it, how they pick the oldest and cheapest games every month. Take a look at what you could've had for free on PSN +, it's pretty dam good value for money.

It IS overpriced whether you like it or not (relative to equal competition, but how else can you gauge somethings worth?) but i can see you are all donning your Forza goggles in full force, so i won't bother adding my thoughts around here anymore

It's only overpriced if someone doesn't see the value in it. You don't, therefore you think it's overpriced. A whole lot of other people think its good value, they don't think it's overpriced. Something is worth what people are prepared to pay for it. I've got no problem with you saying it's overpriced, but to state others are wrong for saying it's not overpriced is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Jam View Post
but i can see you are all donning your Forza goggles in full force, so i won't bother adding my thoughts around here anymore

And prey tell how did you expect FORZA based members to reply???? Without Forza in mind

Adding your thoughts Jam? You've hardly made an appearance in ages and posted more in a week arguing about the downfall of the evil M$ than prob the last 8 months???

Some good points you've made but most are misguided. As someone said, dont kid yourself that Sony dont want your money anyway they can, Theyve got a long way to go to get PSN up to XBL and will give shite away for a year or several to catch up. Once they have..............well lets see when it happens

The only thing i miss about my PS3...........the updates EVERY time i switched in on. I so loved not being able to use it for up to an hour +
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It IS overpriced whether you like it or not (relative to equal competition, but how else can you gauge somethings worth?) but i can see you are all donning your Forza goggles in full force, so i won't bother adding my thoughts around here anymore

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Originally Posted by Jam View Post
It IS overpriced whether you like it or not (relative to equal competition, but how else can you gauge somethings worth?) but i can see you are all donning your Forza goggles in full force, so i won't bother adding my thoughts around here anymore

In your opinion, which in a statistically invalid quick straw poll of a slightly biased sample is the minority.

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The whole overpriced or not argument makes me feel like it's all gone full circle, but Slim is right - if an item is for sale at a price you're willing to pay then it's not overpriced.

The XB1 for me is actually a case in point. Remember when it was announced, I wasn't going to get it because the price point for me was about 400? So to me, 429 was overpriced. Throw in the Amazon deal of free Forza meaning the console was 379 in effect, and I bought it.

What I really want to see this generation is the two consoles slugging it out, constantly pushing each other onto greater and greater things. For that to happen, both need to be successful so I really hope that both units get good launches. The worst thing that could happen (in my opinion) is that one console fails spectacularly leaving one console with a near monopoly - nothing like a near monopoly to encourage laziness and complacency. So, even though I don't own, or plan on buying, a PS4, I do hope that it does well.

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